With a exchangable battery, we can double the range of your e-bike. It is an interesting solution for people who:
cover long distances on an electric bike and one package is not enough for them to do a longer distance, e.g. 100 km
like dynamic driving, so the battery can often “disappear in the eyes” and “fun” ends so quickly
loops ride, e.g. on single tracks, and they can drive up to the car and exchange the package
they don’t mind riding with a spare battery in their backpack
For us, the above-mentioned points were a reason to add a new battery to Ania’s Cube AMS 125 pro bike. We have designed a new housing so that the package is quick and easy to replace (execution Mark from „Drukujemy e-rowery“). The previous solution (also from 3D printing) did not allow such a simple battery replacement. In this solution, we do not need any cable ties, wrenches or allen keys.
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3D design for download
Here you can download the enclosure design for 3D printing – 13S3P package:
We invite you to watch the episode on our YouTube channel, how the housing on the bike looks and how the battery is exchanged in it (Polish language version)
„Buy factory electric bike or do it yourself? How about buying a used one or ordering a company to make one for us? Which electric bike will be the best?”
These are very common questions we ask ourselves when thinking about owning an electric vehicle. After all, we all want a good electric bike. Good, which is what? Therefore, in this article, we will try to help you make the selection and pay attention to things that you may have missed in your analysis.
Which electric bike is the best??
In fact, when choosing an ebike, it’s hard to talk about better and worse bikes (apart from the actual condition). We would put it in other terms:
cheaper ebike – more expensive ebike
stronger drive – weaker drive
central drive – hub drive
When analyzing the choice, it is worth answering a few basic questions.
5 questions to ask yourself
before choosing an ebike
Of course, there may be more questions, but we consider the following to be the key questions:
1. What type of bike will be the most suitable for me? Division according to the type of frame: city, trekking, MBT or FAT-BIKE (with front shock absorption, rear shock absorption), enduro:
2. What type of drive should I choose? The motor in the rear wheel, front wheel or central drive:
3. What kind of electric assistance do I want? Cadence sensor / pedal torque sensor / throttle
4. What is my budget for the purchase?
5. Do I know how to use the drive that I have chosen? You need to take care of the electric drive and the bicycle. Let’s take care of the appropriate bicycle service so that the ride is comfortable and, above all, safe. For rear wheel drives, it is a bit easier, because they do not require such frequent service, while for mid drives, we must reckon with more frequent service (grease, gears or bearings).
The central drives require us a little more involvement with shifting gears on the derailleur. While in HUB drives, when driving with a cadence sensor or on a throttle, changing the gears is not necessary, for a mid-drive it is even a requirement. It is therefore worth getting to know the details of the selected drive before the purchase, because each of them has its own specificity, operating characteristics and requires a different service effort from us.
Of course, when choosing, we should also take into account such aspects as:
Where do we mainly want to ride this bike?
What range do we want to cover on a single battery charge?
What drive power do we expect?
Which electric bike should you choose?
Tips
When choosing an electric bike, it is mainly about the type of electric assist. Some will be satisfied with:
the use of a cadence sensor (commonly known as PAS support),
the second will depend on the pedal torque sensor, which, however, would be a bit like riding a bicycle and to be able to work on your condition
and still others will be satisfied mainly with the throttle.
Rear wheel hub motors
For rear wheel hub motors: for example, adding an MPe COMPUTER to e-bikes will enable all three of these electric assist solutions. Adding this drive often increases the weight of the bicycle. These engines are rather not as frequent servicing as, for example, central drives.
Mid-drive
On the other hand, central drives seem to be the perfect solution for people who are looking for a light ebike with good off-road handling or want to train a bit with a torque sensor. Most of the factory electric bikes are based primarily on this kind of sensor.
Additional tips for analysis:
It is worth being „flexible” in choosing or modifying an ebike. If this bike can’t be upgraded too much, then maybe it’s worth selling it and buying another one.
Pay attention to the quality of the bike, e.g. whether the frame is solid.
Let’s not be afraid to ask someone for advice and ask for help in choosing.
If we have the opportunity to test ride an electric bike, let’s take advantage of it. We used the loafing room ourselves and such a test drive helped us a lot.
It is also worth testing the size of the bicycle frame and the suspension, e.g. with full suspension.
The art of compromise
We can see from our own experience that choosing the right electric bike is often an art of compromise. We are looking for and selecting a bike and drive that at the moment will best meet our expectations for the driving styleand terrain on which we most often want to ride. And often when investing in one drive model, you have to give up the advantages that a second drive would give you. For example, for Ana the bicycle model „Cube AMS 125 pro”:
The art of compromise:
Definitely „YES"
Light ebike (20.4 kg)
In the off road ride, the ebike is great
Pedal torque sensor (TSDZ2 drive) and the feeling of cycling
Full shock absorption front and rear
Certain „shortcomings”
Certain „shortcomings"
TSDZ2 drive is not super powerful (after uploading the open firmware max. 750 W)
Frequent service of the drive
It’s definitely louder to use than gearless HUB motors
Resignation from the throttle for the temperature sensor
The frame may be a bit too big for her height
Fortunately, the electric bike is not with us forever. We can sell it and buy another one. We wish you fruitful analyzes and successful compromises in choosing your electric bikes. We encourage you to leave comments on your selection. You can also WRITE TO US.
Over Volt: Cut-off voltage for drive and regenerative braking with an over-charged battery
Current Parcent: Phase current of the motor supply expressed as% of the maximum controller current
Battry Limit: The current drawn from the battery expressed in% of the set phase current
Identification Angle: Hall test: 85 = normal operation / 170 = Hall test after restarting the controller
TPS Type: Throttle type 1: 0-5V potentiometer, 2: Throttle with Hall sensor
Change Direction: Change the motor rotation direction forward / reverse if it spins in the wrong direction after the Hall test
Fields in the „Motor" tab
Motor Poles: Number of pieces (not pairs) of magnets in the motor
Speed Sensor Type: Rotor position sensors: enter 2 type: Hall sensors
First run procedure
and pairing the motor with the controller
Changes in the Vehicle tab: 1. Set the operating voltage of the controller min. max .: For the „Low Volt” field: enter: 3.0 V * number of sections in the battery and „Over Volt”: enter (4.2 V * number of sections in the battery) + 2.0 V For example:
2. Pre-limit the driver currents to 30%: „Current Percent” and „Battry Limit”. 3. Set the throttle type to 2 (for a Hall sensor based throttle – most ebikes): „TPS Type”. 4. Set the „Identification Angle” parameter to 170 – this will force the Hall test to run after restarting the controller.
Changes in the Motor tab: 5. Set the parameter: „Motor Poles” – enter the number of magnets (not pairs). 6. Set the parameter: „Sensor type” – enter 2 for Hall sensors.
Halli test / pairing the controller with the motor: 7. Press the buttons: „Write”, „OK”, „Quit”. 8. Disconnect the USB cable. 9. Restart the bike / controller. 10. Wait for the Hall test to be performed, the wheel will spin very slowly, and finally the red LED will start flashing with the code 3,2 internal reset – it means it’s ok and the Halli test is over. 11. Restart the bike / controller. 12. Activate the throttle gently and check the direction of wheel rotation. 13. If necessary, connect to the program and change the direction of the wheel rotation / change the „checkbox” – „Change dir”. Press: „Write” button and restart the controller. 14. Carry out a road test. 15. Increase the „Current Percent” and „Battry Limit” currents („Vehicle” tab) as desired and needed. 16. If necessary, configure the remaining configuration parameters.
How to improve and enrich the action of Kelly KLS controller?
The Kelly KLS controller in terms of its small dimensions and very good performance (continuous current 50 A, temporary 120 A) is really worth recommending. Unfortunately, it is very limited in its functionality as it only has the option of connecting a throttle. It offers nothing more. Therefore, to this controller, you can add the MPe on-board computer, which, in addition to adding the PAS support (torque sensor and pedaling sensor), will give us a number of other possibilities, including:
remaining distance on battery
possibility to protect against overheating, e.g. of the battery or the motor (with the drive cut-off function)
limiting the power of the throttle
pedaling assist power limit settings (full freedom – e.g. 250 W)
cruise control
and many others
We appreciate the addition of a pedaling torque sensor. Driving with this computer is very comfortable, safe and fun, and even improves your condition 🙂.
The entire MPe offer can be seen on the website about this device:
Find out 10 reasons why it is good to have an electric bike.
One thing is certain: ebikes become very popular today and appear more and more often on our roads. Why do we choose an electric bike? I will present my and Marek’s reasons why we’ve decided to have an electric bike. They will be based on our history. Let’s get started :
Reason No. 1: Let's get less tired
Electric assistance relieves us. And that was the reason number 1 why Marek chose an electric bike:
„I just don’t like to get tired.” 😉
Reason No. 2:
We can get much further
For an out of shape cyclist, driving 20 km can be a challenge. I remember in 2015, when Marek and I went on a trip. Back then, we were still riding ordinary bikes, without electric assistance. We were supposed to drive about 30 km. For me, an amateur cyclist, it was easy, and for Marek it was a test of fitness. Well, we finally did 50 km and Marek was very tired😜.
Today, on an ebike, we even 100 km. Our butts hurts, but the condition is no problem.
Reason No. 3:
We're cycling faster
Driving up to 50 km/h (and more) is possible with an electric bike. However, we should remember about our own and others safety. And always wear a helmet, even at 15 km/h.
Reason No. 4:
Driving upwind is not a problem
„I’m not going today, it’s windy.”
While driving with the wind is great, going against the wind is a challenge. We turn on the electric assistance and we do not get tired.
Reason No. 5:
Electric bike
it's a cheap mean of transport
What is the cost of riding an electric bike?
(0,25$ for battery charging per 150 km).There is no more to say.
Reason No. 6:
We take care of our physical health
While riding a bike (even an electric bike), we strengthen:
calves
thighs
buttocks
stomach
hands
neck
Also on an electric bike it is possible to get tired physically and we often decide how much we want it.
Reason No. 7:
We take care of our mental health
When cycling, endorphins are produced, which means well-being and contentment .
Reason No. 8:
Ebike for disable people
(heart defects, motor disability)
There are many people who, unfortunately, cannot afford to ride a bicycle physically. Heart disease does not allow you to exercise. Turning on the electric assistance can relieve us or we can also use a throttle.
Reason No. 9:
Anyone can build
electric bike
„Building an ebike is so hard and complicated.” „I don’t have a workshop or tools to build an electric bike.”
We know these statements. We thought the same when we wanted to build our first ebike ourselves.
„Where to start, what drive and bike to choose? Can my bike be converted into an electric one? “
And although we encountered many problems on the way in building an electric bike, we know today that it does not have to be that difficult. Today knowledge is common on the internet and you can find a lot of information. It is enough to want and reach for knowledge.
Often times, electric bikes are built in the center of the room. You don’t really need complicated tools.
Reason No. 10:
Ebike as a new hobby
The very fact of riding an electric bike can be a new life idea for us. We know it together with Marek and we spend every possible moment together, visiting and getting to know new places, as well as new people. : Taba na rowerze).
Electric bike -
definitely on
YES
Electric bikes are our passion, spending time together and developing – our company Bikel.pl 😉.
We want to wish you such a passion.
Or maybe you have other arguments why an electric bike? Let me know in the comments.
The cost range of building an electric bike is really wide. Prices can fluctuate here, even from 144 Euro / 160$ to over 7300 Euro / 8000 $.
In this article, you will find out the cost we incurred to build our „Minion” e-bike.
Price of e-bike with MPe computer
We will show here one option for building an electric bike, taking into account the MPe computer set with display:
MPe computer with largeMaxiColor 850C display
Performance and possibility
Now it’s time to take a look at what our e-bike “can”:
Vehicle weight 28.5 kg. This is a pretty low result for an electric bike.
The 16S7P battery (1100Wh, LGMJ1 cells) will allow you to travel approx. 70 – 100 km (smooth ride up to max. 30 km / h, relatively flat terrain).
Top speed: 54 km/h.
Acceleration 0-40 km/h: 5.5s (test performed on the GT 1500, 45A controller)
Maximum power (indications from MPe computer): 2400W
Quiet operation of the Sabvoton Mini SVMC072045 45A controller. Initially, we had a GT 1500 45A square wave controller for a long time, which is much cheaper than the Sabvoton. However, the GT 1500 has several drawbacks. You can read about why the decision to change the controller was made. Read: HERE
The construction of the electronics box cost a lot of nerves, not to mention time. Read: HERE
The Kellys Madman 50 L, 21 frame is in our opinion quite large, even at a height of 180 cm. In the field, sometimes a slightly smaller frame (M, 19 ′) would be “more comfortable”.
Wheel / tire size: 27.5 ″ / 2.2
This bike certainly lacks full suspension. Although the NCX suspension seatpost is much more comfortable to ride than without it. We recommend this solution for every bicycle without rear suspension. It perfectly absorbs bumps on the road (by buying from the source below you support our business without losing any penny – the so-called affiliate link).
Above you can see the cost of converting it into an electric bike of this class. The Minion is additionally equipped with an MPe computer, which gives it many unique possibilities. Today we CANNOT IMAGINE driving without this MPe computer.
Computer MPe price
in relation to the total cost of building an e-bike
Building an electric bike can bring great satisfaction. Especially when the bike starts to work and assist us. It is also often not a small expense, but do you have to have everything at once? We often buy, e.g. a controller, frame, battery pack, and then replace it with another, stronger, bigger, better one. We want more watts, more power, more adrenaline. And changes are associated with further expenses. And so it goes on:
we put aside money 🐷(new ideas)
collect savings 💲
and finally we make aPURCHASE and we have a PRIZE 🚲
And it is beautiful because there are more opportunities to make our dreams come true. And after all, riding an electric bike is a beautiful passion, but also a hobby that allows you to build a great vehicle.
Comments
If you want to show yourself how much it cost you to build an electric bike, write about it in the comment at the bottom of the article. We are curious.
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